Wisconsin, unmasked.

Friday, February 18th, 2011 @ 10:19 pm | Clueless Conservatives, Politics

The curtain has dropped…the unions conceded on the finances, but Governor Walker isn’t having it. It isn’t about the budget, it’s about using a fiscal crisis to go after Republican dreams of destroying unions. All that’s left to disagree about is the right to form a union, yet there’s no deal because that’s what Republicans are hungry for.

Much like cutting funds for NPR or Planned Parenthood, it’s never really about a balanced budget. Only question…when will these guys ever stop acting like scumbags and govern semi-responsibly?

-hw

9 Responses to “Wisconsin, unmasked.”

  1. ladk Says:

    Quick question, where in his bill is he outlawing unions or getting rid of them in any manner?

  2. Henry Whistler Says:

    Eh?

    The new Republican governor, Scott Walker, is seeking passage of the nation’s most aggressive anti-union proposal, which was moving swiftly through the GOP-led Legislature. Legislative leaders said Wednesday night they would make minor changes to the bill, but would keep the provision to remove collective bargaining rights that generated the protests.


    Case in point:

    Walker tries to sell the change in collective bargaining as modest. “State and local employees could continue to bargain for base pay, they would not be able to bargain over other compensation measures.” But that’s not really true. Read down a bit further and you’ll find that “total wage increases could not exceed a cap based on the consumer price index (CPI) unless approved by referendum.” In other words, they couldn’t bargain for wages to rise faster than inflation. So, in reality, they can’t bargain for wages and they can’t bargain over other forms of compensation. They just can’t bargain.

    The proposal doesn’t stop there, though. “Contracts would be limited to one year and wages would be frozen until the new contract is settled. Collective bargaining units are required to take annual votes to maintain certification as a union. Employers would be prohibited from collecting union dues and members of collective bargaining units would not be required to pay dues.” These rules have nothing to do with pension costs or even bargaining. They’re just about weakening unions: They make it harder for unions to collect dues from members, to negotiate stable contracts or to survive a bad year.

    Are we going to play word games here?

  3. ladk Says:

    Sure we are.

    In other words, they couldn’t bargain for wages to rise faster than inflation. So, in reality, they can’t bargain for wages and they can’t bargain over other forms of compensation. They just can’t bargain. They just can’t bargain.

    I see no problem with this. WI already has some of the highest paid, including fringe benefits, public sector employees if their wages stay the same for a couple years that’s not really a big deal. And this isn’t exactly truthful anyway, because the CPI keeps up to date with inflation pretty evenly.

    Employers would be prohibited from collecting union dues…

    Again there really isn’t anything wrong with this.

    You know, I seem to remember you saying that people shouldn’t bitch about laws enacted by Elected officials because they are just that. Elected.

    Funny, when it’s something you disagree with that mentality goes right out the window.

  4. cbmc Says:

    bend your knees when you move those goalposts ladk unless the l & d in your name stand for “limited duty”

  5. Jldmeyer Says:

    Why is this entire issue being thrown onto the backs of teachers? Are teachers the only public employees in the state of Wisconsin? No, it is because teachers are easy targets. They have these really easy jobs where they sit around drinking coffee while the kids do worksheets, right? The real issue that Fox viewers and people like “ladk” don’t want to discuss is the fact that there are two groups of public employees who are not part of this bill. Firefighters and the police. Now, God fearing Republicans would say because they are the heroes of our states and deserve every penny they make but that isn’t the reason why they aren’t part of the cuts. They aren’t part of the cuts because their UNIONS supported Governor Walker in the election. I guess the UNION isn’t so bad when it supports the right side…right? (get it? “right”) If it was a democrat governor and it was the republicans walking out…those senators would be heroes standing up for democracy and the right of the american people. But since the whole issue is the other way around then it is just an inconvenience and anti-american. Plus, ladk, just because you bargain doesn’t mean you get it. Taking away bargaining takes away a worker’s right to even talk about it. It isn’t about more, it is about the ability to at least be part of the discussion. Uninformed people assume that bargaining means that the teacher’s union walks up to superintendents and demands more money and the district has to bend over. The fact in this whole situation is that teachers are always easy targets and the people who do the most complaining go to church every Sunday and give thanks to one of the world’s greatest teachers who ever lived and died for them. Why do Republicans hate public education so much? (the answer? because there is no profit in it!)

  6. Henry Whistler Says:

    ladk: Understood, you’re in favor of busting up the unions entirely. See how nice it is to not play word games and just say what you mean?

  7. AJKamper Says:

    Just from a negotiating tactic (I study this stuff), how awesome is it for the government in negotiating prices that their ceiling is set and known to all? There’s nowhere to go but downwards from there.

    It GUARANTEES that wages will not keep up with inflation.

  8. Jldmeyer Says:

    The way some people feel about education, I’m surprised that no one is suggesting that teachers work for minimum wage and pay for their own health care and school supplies. After all, teachers didn’t go into education to make any money for what they do. It’s funny that on the HuffPost they asked some of the tea party people if they knew that 2/3rds of Wisconsin corporations didn’t pay taxes. They had no idea. I guess unions are bad but lobbyists are ok.
    AJKamper>could you imagine what today’s average wages would be if there were never any effort to keep up with inflation?

  9. AJKamper Says:

    Jldmeyer:

    In fairness, inflation would be lower if wages stayed lower too… but yes, no question in my mind that the state of the poor and middle classes would be much worse.

    If the government were required to pin wages to the CPI, this might make sense. Otherwise… it’s baffling. It guaran-freaking-tees worsening economic status for teachers, by definition.