Bain-ultimate breakdown.

Friday, July 13th, 2012 @ 6:18 pm | Politics

Sullivan was on fire today, going after Romney’s Bain record with a fearlessness.

Best comment:

He was listed as President, CEO, and sole stockholder of Bain until 2002 on SEC filings that carry criminal penalties if they are false.

He doesn’t dispute that he owned the company, lock, stock and barrel.

During that time we know that he was paid at least $100,000 – an enormous sum to most jurors. You don’t get paid that kind of money for doing nothing.

We don’t know how much more he was paid because he won’t release his taxes.

Before he ran for Governor of Mass in 2002, he talked about how he attended board meetings for Staples and Marriott – two Bain Companies during that time period.

He is responsible, like all CEOs, for what Bain did through 2002.

He says it took three years to “change the name of the CEO”? Bain would target a company, swoop in, divert all the cash, pick the bones, fire the employees and be gone in less time than that.

His story is (insert synonym for bullshit)

And:

…could you imagine the outcry from the GOP if Obama claimed to be a “passive” owner of the company that was involved in disposing of aborted fetuses, and that his titles of CEO, etc., were of no significance? They would be apoplectic, and if he had given testimony like Romney under oath that he was not involved, the impeachment charges for perjury would already be drawn up.

What I love is the fake indignation Romney’s trying to muster after building his campaign on one blatant lie after another about Obama. Oh, but Obama suggests Romney might be responsible for Bain, and Romney immediately hurls the charge of “liar,” when everybody and their grandma knows Romney is a liar of such magnitude that cynical political observers are awestruck. But as the document dump continues, more and more evidence piles up that Romney himself hasn’t been able to keep his Bain stories straight.

Because when you lie constantly, it’s tough to keep track.

-hw

19 Responses to “Bain-ultimate breakdown.”

  1. Jldmeyer Says:

    If the shoe was on the other foot then the votes in the Senate this week would not be another wasted effort to repeal Obamacare. It would be to impeach Obama. Keep going Obama. Keep Mittens against the ropes.

  2. Phoenician in a time of Romans Says:

    Remember – they impeached Clinton (supposedly) for “perjury”. So either Romney lied to the government in 1999, or he lied to the government in 2002.

    You have to wonder why Holder doesn’t announce an investigation into felony misrepresentation, unless he’s waiting until after the Convention…

  3. Henry Whistler Says:

    If you listen to the wingers, this is having no effect on Mittens so we must stop talking about it immediately. They’re very angry, and, um, er, JOHN KERRY! You see, if you disapproved of the dishonest swiftboating attacks on John Kerry, you must, um, approve of Mitt Romney’s, uh, er, dishon- no, wait…

    It’s so hard keeping the story straight.

  4. AJKamper Says:

    When I heard Romney ask for an APOLOGY, of all things, I knew that his campaign thought this line of attack would have legs. Either that, or it’s more incompetent than it seemed at first.

    It’s not like they had grounds for it, other than saying it’s not very nice.

  5. Phoenician in a time of Romans Says:

    “When I heard Romney ask for an APOLOGY, of all things, I knew that his campaign thought this line of attack would have legs. Either that, or it’s more incompetent than it seemed at first.”

    I’d plump for incompetence.

    The latest defense is to have Sununu whine that Romney couldn’t have been involved in Bain because he was spending “24/7″ rescuing the Utah Olympics.

    This has been immediately jumped on by everyone who has three brain cells to rub together by pointing out that if Romney is considered unable to rescue the Olympics AND advise Bain, he sure as hell is unable to be the President, which is worse than both of them together, squared.

  6. mike g Says:

    Hey Pho. Seeing your handle prompted me to take a look at Dana’s new blog. Or should I say new old blog? What a trip down memory lane. Those guys are still arguing with the voices in their heads.

  7. Phoenician in a time of Romans Says:

    You betcha. That blog fell past the wingnut event horizon a while back, which is when I stopped posting. They’ve retreated from the heights of blather to the lows of outright insanity.

    Case in point – Yorkshire, the loon who stuck stubbornly to the Birther nonsense until he had his nose wiped in his own stupidity, has just jumped back into his own faeces with the theory that Obama was born out of state (KENYAN KENYAN KENYAN) but his parents purchased a birth certificate for him.

    He hasn’t noticed yet that the law his theory depends on was passed in 1982 when the certificate was issued 8 August 1961, nor that the place of birth is clearly marked in Obama’s birth certificate as “Honolulu”, nor that it lists a local hospital as the location of birth. This is the level of stupidty that passes for “common sense” in Dana’s little kingdom.

    Could be worse I suppose – go take a look at this blog for even crazier stupidity – http://constitutionclub.org/

    Me, I have a partner and a life. I have less energy to poke at the nutcases with virtual sticks these days.

  8. Liberals are idiots Says:

    Obama’s record sucks, so the above low road crap is what iowaliberal.com chooses to do.

  9. Henry Whistler Says:

    Republicans cannot defend Mitt Romney’s record, which is the central plank of his candidacy, so they try to pretend deconstructions of it are “low road crap” while they spend 42 segments on the FOX Republican Channel blowing up a distorted Obama quote into a full-blown explanation of EVERYTHING ABOUT OBAMA.

    To underscore the disingenuous lying for which Mitt and the GOP has become known, Mitt went out and reaffirmed Obama’s actual point.

    The question is, if you guys have such a great platform, why must you always act like such scumbags?

  10. mike Says:

    Thanks, Thayer.

  11. Liberals can't handle the truth Says:

    Obama policy sucks, you can’t defend it. it’s why you resort to personal attack as opposed to promoting your guy.

  12. Henry Whistler Says:

    Says the man who refuses to discuss Mitt Romney. Or actual Obama policy.

  13. Liberals are in denial Says:

    There are fewer people working in American today, than there were when Obama took office.

    There are more people on food stamps now, than when Obama took office.

    Reduce deficit spending by half – fail
    Record debt.
    Solyndra – fail
    Cash for Clunkers – fail
    Electric cars – fail

    And the list goes on, but since you have a nasty habit of not being able to properly refute challenges issued, we’ll stop there for now just to see what you blow off and/or otherwise fail to address.

  14. AJKamper Says:

    Isn’t your whole argument just, “He hasn’t done as well as he hoped,” not “He hasn’t done well?”

    I could say,
    Increased our foreign standing almost everywhere
    Got us out of Iraq
    Getting us out of Afghanistan
    Killed OBL
    Stopped torturing prisoners
    Handled Libya well; handling Syria better
    Used the stimulus to keep the worst recession in seventy years from being even worse
    Dropped unemployment from 10% at its peak to 8%
    Passed the largest green energy bill in history
    Passed a health care bill that has more hope to fix the system than anything else that anyone has signed since Medicare

    It’s easy for a progressive to like Obama. Makes far more sense than hating him because he couldn’t do everything he wanted to.
    It’s pretty easy to like Obama if you’re a progressive, actually.

  15. Henry Whistler Says:

    Yeah, our subsidies to solar pale in comparison to the subsidies China gave to their solar companies, while we continue to subsidize big oil, and Thayer is pissed that Solyndra failed.

    Except that Thayer and the right are ecstatic that Solyrndra failed, because they’re rooting for fossil fuels and telling each other that global warming is a conspiracy theory. The lesson of Solyndra that people like Thayer and other rightwingers would have us believe is that it was wrong to put money into solar efforts.

    Is pursuing solar power the right policy? Absolutely. Is the right anywhere close to the answer on global warming, when they can’t even recognize the problem? Absolutely not.

    It’s just dishonesty stacked on top of dishonesty.

  16. Henry Whistler Says:

    “since you have a nasty habit of not being able to properly refute challenges issued”

    Says the guy who spams shit from Fox and Limbaugh all day and responds to rebuttals with more spam. You’re not even capable of having a rational discussion, Thayer.

  17. George Says:

    Increased our foreign standing almost everywhere – false

    Got us out of Iraq – because Iraq wouldn’t renew the armed forces agreement

    Getting us out of Afghanistan – pending
    Killed OBL – credit, but continued Bush policy in doing so

    Stopped torturing prisoners – Really? You don’t hear about it anyway

    Handled Libya well; handling Syria better – Not so much

    Used the stimulus to keep the worst recession in seventy years from being even worse – false.

    Dropped unemployment from 10% at its peak to 8% – 8+% unemployment for 41 consecutive months, that’s not a shining star. more people are out of work today than when Obama took office.

    Passed the largest green energy bill in history – Solydra, not good. What do we have to show for it? Nothing but debt.

    Passed a health care bill that has more hope to fix the system than anything else that anyone has signed since Medicare. You mean rising costs? You mean companies dropping coverage? You mean people losing their doctor and the plan they like?

    Your bragging, well, isn’t.

  18. George Says:

    You guys crack me up, claiming Romney is a liar, while completely ignoring all the blatant lies of Obama.

    It’s the liberal double standard, the classic liberal hypocrisy.

  19. Henry Whistler Says:

    “Got us out of Iraq – because Iraq wouldn’t renew the armed forces agreement”

    Which rightwingers declared a horrible fail, Obama’s surrendering to Iraq’s sovereignty. The right wanted to override Iraq, and Mitt Romney has of course concurred, as the man reflexively shits on everything Obama does without thinking.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/obama-defends-handling-iraq-hits-romney-violence-flares/story?id=16840633#.UBYZTrTwuIg

    “Killed OBL – credit, but continued Bush policy in doing so.”

    Absolutely reversed Bush policy in doing so, as Bush had given up the hunt and disbanded the special forces unit on the hunt. Within six months Bush said he didn’t think bin Laden was that important anymore. Obama made it a priority, and gee, guess what happened?

    “Stopped torturing prisoners – Really? You don’t hear about it anyway”

    Yes, really. Mitt Romney will be sure to reinstate it, of course, with rapturous rightwinger (though not very Christian) approval.

    “Handled Libya well; handling Syria better – Not so much”

    It’s almost like you’re beginning to peer through the fog, throwing out the occasional compliment! Before, it was pure blackout.

    Anyhoo, what do you suggest, invasion?

    “Used the stimulus to keep the worst recession in seventy years from being even worse – false.”

    Naturally, it’s hilarious that you provide no sources for this…because almost every source would flagrantly disagree with you. There is a heavy consensus that the stimulus certainly improved matters by adding growth and keeping unemployment about 2 percent lower than had it not been passed. Of course, guys like you have no problem dismissing averted disasters.

    http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/07/25/584561/40-economists-republicans-reality/

    “Dropped unemployment from 10% at its peak to 8% – 8+% unemployment for 41 consecutive months, that’s not a shining star. more people are out of work today than when Obama took office.”

    Let’s make it clear here, you’re shifting arguments here from the stimulus, and talking about the general progress. So the stimulus prevented unemployment from hitting 12%, and now we’re down to 8%, and meanwhile Republicans are laying off as many public employees as they can instead of acting to increase demand in an economy flush with supply.

    “Passed the largest green energy bill in history – Solydra, not good. What do we have to show for it? Nothing but debt.”

    It’s too bad you can’t think beyond the soundbite of Solyndra- a company that failed against Chinese companies that were vastly more subsidized by their government. We’re spending pennies on green energy while devoting real bucks to fossil fuels (as per rightwinger demand, drilling has expanded greatly under Obama), and you’re picking on Solyndra because, let’s face reality here, the Republican Party is still sucking on corporate propaganda instead of science.

    As in, you don’t even understand what the problem is, so who the fuck should care about what you have to say about the solutions?

    Beyond Solyndra, the results:
    http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2012/04/renewables-experience-explosive-growth-in-first-three-years-of-obama-administration

    “Passed a health care bill that has more hope to fix the system than anything else that anyone has signed since Medicare. You mean rising costs? You mean companies dropping coverage? You mean people losing their doctor and the plan they like?”

    Costs: Doubled during the Bush years. Do you care? No.

    The ACA features seed programs that are designed to pioneer new ways of spending on health care that move away from the worst culprit, fee-for-service. Do you know about this? No. Do you want them to succeed? Of course not, because Obama would get credit.

    Your candidate, Mitt Romney, passed a nearly identical bill in Massachusetts that resulted in a massive increase in coverage. Given that the ACA has not even been fully implemented, talking about the coverage rate is highly premature (and cynical).

    Is the GOP trying to create universal health care for all? No. From what ground do you speak?

    Did the 2008 crash, built upon Republican deregulation, failing to receive sufficient relief due to deficit-exploding Bush policies, result in people losing their health care coverage?

    By the millions. Do you care? No. Those are the breaks! Suck it up, people.

    “…claiming that Mitt Romney is a liar…”

    Mitt Romney is a proven liar who has virtually no stances that he was not vehemently opposed to at some point in the past, and who indeed is trying to run against the very health care plan that he once championed, the health care plan responsible for catapulting him into the presidential contender field in the first place. His every premise is built on lies. His ads rely on cutting and pasting Obama quotes out-of-context, because he has virtually no ground to stand on.

    We’ve pointed out several Romney lies, and you Coralville Courier maroons keep telling us that we can’t talk about the man you believe should become president, that we must only talk about current economic statistics and place ALL blame on Obama regardless of Republican economic sabotage. If you’d wish to suggest that we merely “claim” without evidence, please, please, try to present a picture of Mitt Romney as a truth teller.

    You can’t.

    You can’t even present him as an politician, who presents things from an ideological perspective while occasionally peeving the fact-checkers, ala Obama. He has no ideology! He has no core. The Republicans running against Romney in the primary knew it. You likely knew it then. Who did you vote for in the primary, Bachman? Santorum?

    Yet now, at a moment’s notice, like Romney, you will adopt the necessary stance.

    Eh, whatever.