Hillary brings this on herself.
Uh oh, Obama has inspired a cool music video called “Yes, we can!”
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So let’s come up with a slogan for Hillary that’s as good as that one. Wait, I got it! “Yes, SHE can!” That’s funny, because it rhymes!
Sullivan suggests it runs deeper:
“Yes, we can” vs. “Yes, she can.” There you have the key difference between the two campaigns.
Hillary slapped the puck into her own net on that one, fair and square. Clintonocrat Apologista, don’t even try it!
-jb
February 4th, 2008 at 6:58 pm
I saw Obama’s face on a tortilla and it healed my arthritis
February 4th, 2008 at 7:00 pm
Okay, that’s just reflexive. Not exactly making a good case for Hillary there, y’know.
February 4th, 2008 at 7:53 pm
cbmc, you honestly haven’t noticed the blatant rip offs of Obamas campaign slogans THROUGHOUT this race? “Turn the page” was just the start. I wouldn’t be shocked if she took the oath of office in blackface.
February 4th, 2008 at 8:04 pm
see it’s when you obama kool-aid drinkers say shit like that that you lose me completely. why not do the full fox news nine yards and say she’s a jihadi? she’s a democrat like obama. both of them will sell out the left as soon as look at you, and in your heart, you know it’s true. one of them has experience in brutal national campaigns; the other will have the floor wiped with his face. if a democratic victory means anything to you, you’ll vote hrc.
February 4th, 2008 at 8:05 pm
(also there’s no point in trying to “make the case” for hrc – you’re swayed by obama’s rhetoric, film of him skipping important votes wouldn’t touch you)
February 4th, 2008 at 8:14 pm
It would seem that Hillary herself has attempted a brutal campaign against Obama and that he’s been doing quite nicely.
See, she’s already tried many of the Republican’s best tricks, as was the point of a previous post about her Rovian methods. So what else is new about Obama? As you said yourself…”Hussein!” That’s not gonna hack it against the man. He’s a hard campaigner with a strong message and right now he’s done a lot to upset Bill and Hillary’s expectations.
Even I wouldn’t say HRC would necessarily lose. She’d probably eke out a victory against McCain without too much trouble. He looks like a tired sonovabitch.
Let’s apply some caution here, on both sides. Hillary’s supporters have nothing but theory to support the idea that she’d be stronger nationally than Obama. Obama has consistent polling suggesting otherwise.
February 4th, 2008 at 8:15 pm
“if a democratic victory means anything to you”
See, that’s the problem. I DON’T care about a democratic victory. Nor do i care about a Republican victory, Communist, Green, Christian Democrat, whatever….
I care about the right person winning. I don’t vote for a party, I vote for a person. And for the record – if I can quote you here – “in your heart you know it’s true” that there’s a helluva lot of space between a Faux News style attack and legitimate issues – such as the manufacturing of slogans, catch phrases, and mottos by the Obama team and the (purchase?) rip off of them by the Clinton camp.
For as much as you defend Clinton, and claim WE drink the kool aid, you’re getting pretty testy there yourself.
February 4th, 2008 at 8:19 pm
She HAS found her voice…Obama.
February 4th, 2008 at 8:19 pm
Jeromy, thanks for making it reasonable.
I’ll say this; if Hillary wins, maybe they can get Chelsea to live in the White House again. By the time HRC gets to her second term Chelsea will have 16 years of “experience!” Chelsea in 2016!?!?
February 4th, 2008 at 8:19 pm
I’ve heard plenty about Obama and Clinton’s votes, and I happen to know pretty well which record I prefer. Voting to give George W. Bush his Iraq war and for flag-burning amendments is supposed to wow me? Falling for the same shtick again on Iran?
Yeah, no…
February 4th, 2008 at 8:24 pm
An interesting collection of ethics-related behavior and votes comparing Obama and Clinton:
http://thinkonthesethings.wordpress.com/2007/11/05/barack-obama-vs-hillary-clinton-records-on-transparency-lobbyists-and-ethics/
If your concern is governance swayed too strongly by corporate winds, then Hillary raises a lot of doubts. Obama has relied far more on the public for campaign money, making it more certain that the public is who will be represented while he is in office.
After all, anybody cynical about politics knows to follow the money.
February 5th, 2008 at 8:18 am
Yeah the thing is when you guys start talking about how there’s gonna be a right Democrat, that’s when you lose me. I’m liberal. That means I have no use for the Democratic party, which isn’t even remotely liberal. And neither is Barack Obama. He’s to the left of center, a little; big deal. Either he or HRC will/would be 1) certainly better than Bush, but 2) not A Wonderful President. The Democratic party can go to Hell, as far as I’m concerned. When y’all talk about how you actually believe in Obama as the liberal candidate who’ll do all kinds of great things, that’s when I smell kool-aid. He will sell you out just like any other Democrat.
So at that point, I’m voting symbolically: against more Republican policies, which have erased the surplus, and are liberal in the bad sense (spend money! spend more money! throw money at that problem! cut the prime rate, that’ll fix it! spend money!); I’m voting in favor of a candidate who might have, at best, some theoretical weight. And so for me it comes to this: every democracy on the planet got past the woman-as-prime=minister/president/premier hurdle decades ago; alone among the western nations, the U.S. and its voters cling to the notion that men, really, are the only ones fit to lead. People who think otherwise fear saying so, because righty dudes online might make jokes about them OH NOES. Meanwhile, countries we think of as being less “advanced” than us have no problem electing mothers and wives to lead them. The historical weight of a black candidate, which I don’t deny, doesn’t speak as loudly to me as the historical weight of a woman candidate, and that’s pretty much the core of me politically. To make this abundantly clear: if the Republicans ran a woman, I would vote for her. That’s how strongly I feel about the question.
February 5th, 2008 at 9:57 am
Didn’t they just release the voting record rankings? Wasn’t Obama named most liberal by record? Just wanted to point that out, because if he wins that’s all we’ll hear from Dana’s side. Every four years like clockwork “liberal” becomes a four-letter word. As far as your feelings towards the Democratic party, I’m right behind you.
I’m honestly trying not to offend you, cmbc, but voting for someone just because they have a vagina is as dumb as voting for someone because they’re black. Vote on the issues, my man. It sounds like you do, until I read those last few sentences.
And what kind of a statement does it make for strong, independent women in politics should Hillary get elected, when she clearly needed her husbands help in this campaign?
February 5th, 2008 at 10:42 am
If I’m voting on the issues I’m staying home, man – “most liberal” is pretty meaningless here, these candidates blow and so does the Democratic party. And it always will. Neither one of these candidates is going to remain liberal for even a minute after he or she takes office; you and I both know it. I believe (strongly) that voting for someone in order to finally stop an unending parade of Moneyed White Dudes is completely valid, not the “not a good reason” move you describe it as – and that most of the arguments against this strategy are lame stuff of the “reverse racism/sexism” variety. I don’t think “I’m voting Obama because he’s black” is invalid at all. I know nobody’s supposed to actually say that, but I don’t really care.
February 5th, 2008 at 11:15 am
wait I just watched this video
you’re seriously describing this as “cool” and not, say, “really ‘no, dad’ embarrasing”?
February 5th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
Kareem, dude. Recognize.
February 5th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
Hey, like I told you, I like Momus, so what do I know? Kinda hard to get in an argument with you about musical taste, man…
Scarlett Johannsen and Aisha are pretty smokin’ in the video though. Doesn’t strike me as dad material, I think it’s fairly universal in its appeal.
February 5th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
I’ve always liked Common, and I heard he was the one that approached Obama about making appearances.
I hear Common is going to play the Green Lantern in the new Justice League movie.
February 5th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
Common is an respected rapper at street level for sure, it’s just the super-icky and VERY ill-advised hagiographic aspect of it (and super-dadrock Dave Matthews style pickin’) that’s ultra-creepy. You know who likes this video? People who already got on the train. You know who sees it and goes “Christ, quit trying to sell me the snake oil?” Everybody else.
Don’t take my word for it, look at reactions to it from left-leaning people who don’t already believe Obama’s going to rebuild the levees with his bare hands. I half-expect to be trying to talk people into voting for this guy in the fall; stuff like this is gonna make that harder, not easier.
February 5th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
CMBC, that is ridiculous. Don’t be silly.
You know damn well that rebuilding the levees is MICHELLE’s job!
February 5th, 2008 at 6:19 pm
It seems to me that American presidents in the past have inspired Americans and correspondingly gotten some serious things done. They didn’t have to be Jesus to do so, and neither does Barack Obama.
I mean, this is just common sense. Can I not feel a note of positivity and inspiration by this candidate without being accused of thinking him a deity?
February 5th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
Good point, Jeromy.
I’d rather be over-inspired by a candidate than disinterested in the whole lot.